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Posted by: Graylon (g_dunc@hotmail.com) on Sat Dec 15 18:26:47 2007

> > > > Barry Bonds DOES drop his hands a foot, do a circle hitch with his hands & draw back his arms & hands a foot or so before FINALLY launching his swing.. Jack Mankin. How come everyone argues with these mechanics when many of the greatest hitters have these mechanics. George Stanley how can you argue this. The frame by frame video does not lie. You would say that someone who DOES drop his hands a foot, do a circle hitch with his hands & draw back his arms & hands a foot or so before FINALLY launching his swing will be late to the baseball why? Watch Chipper right before the ball comes small hitch with his hands before they go circular. He doesn't just put his hands in a launch position already like you put your hitters. Sheffield bat is towards second base while the ball is half way there how come he isn't late? These mechanics are what major league hitters do everyday to hit the ball 400 feet. During batting practice with wood and if your hitting the ball 400 feet your probably generating bat speed through rotational mechanics. Watch video of griffey he hits hR to right field with pitches that are away from him with a long circular path to pull an outside pitch for a bomb. His hands are so far back he is a Barred arm George the whole entire swing. Explain to me how hitters in the bigs with barred arms still hit? The answer is rotational mechanics. All hitters that generate major bat speed have these same mechanics. They are good because of it.
> > >
> > > hey mikey!
> > >
> > > a hitch is a hitch is a hitch... just because a great hitter does it, does not make it right... the mentality of monkey-see-monkey-do is WRONG WRONG WRONG... lose that mentality!!! just because you say the guy is wonderful does not make it so...you want to lick all these guys' asses & say how wonderful they are, but you conveniently want to gloss over the fact they ALL FAIL TO GET A HIT 7 TIMES OUT OF 10... & in real terms pop up, foul off, or miss completely 5 out of 6 swings... that is a lot of room for improvement..
> > > TRUE, the camera does not lie... the frequency of popping up, fouling off & missing is FAR MORE FREQUENT than hitting the ball on the button... i don't want to talk about the 26 times a hitter gets a hit, i want to talk about the 74 times he fails.. THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE SHOWS THEY ARE LATE FAR MORE TIMES THAN THEY HIT THE BALL ON THE BUTTON... HELLO?!?!?! THEREFORE THERE ARE FAR MORE FREQUENT INCIDENTS WHERE THE HITTER IS LATE!! you ask me why?!?!?.. BECAUSE THE STATISTICS SAY SO!!!... hello?!?!?
> > >
> > > all good hitters are hitting mistakes... that is, when they get a certain pitch in a certain spot, they don't miss it.. that is where they thrive... but a smart pitcher gets them most of the time by pitching to a ANOTHER certain spot where they are guaranteed not to be able to get there on time, so, they will be late...you want to conveniently ignore the countless times they miss pitches they should be driving... due to the dropping the hands, circle hitch & drawing the bat back AFTER the pitch is released. that works on a limited number of pitches in certain spots, but fails on the FAR MORE frequent certain pitches in certain OTHER spots...in other words they eat the bear ONCE IN A WHILE, but 5 swings out of 6, THE BEAR EATS YOU.
> > > if you got a chance to talk to ANY of those guys, they would all tell you as good as they are, they would love to improve.. otherwise, they're lying.. they would ALL admit they need to be doing better on certain pitches... but they cannot figure out why they always fail.. that is obvious, because if they could change the outcome, they would.. but they can't.. the reason is they cannot identify the reason they failing to hit certain pitches in certain spots.you make it sound like there is absolutely no room for improvement for these guys, they are all perfect... NOT!
> > > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WINNERS & THE LOSERS IS THE WINNDERS ARE
> > > ALWAYS TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE WEAKNESSES IN THEIR STANCE & SWING, & TRYING TO ELIMINATE THEM.. SO THEY WILL IMPROVE.
> > > to a smart pitcher, gary sheffield is the easiest out in town.. he is constantly waving his bat, trying to time a fastball.. all you have to do is have a little hitch in your delivery, or throw him off speed breaking balls, he is way out in front..or quicken your delivery. the only time you throw him a FB is on the first pitch above the belt inner half, which he will foul off for an automatic strike 1.. the only time you throw a FB after that is after 3 offspeed pitches, or with 2 strikes.
> > > i endorse rotational mechanics... i don't know where you get the idea i do not..ken griffey has one of the fastest bats around... the main reason is he has his hands in tight, which will generate greater batspeed than when you extend your arms... he hits HR on outside pitches because he keeps his hands in tight AS LONG AS POSSIBLE before altering his swing to catch the outside pitch.. hands in tight will generate the maximum initial batspeed... most hitters do not understand the quicker the bat starts out, the greater the acceleration rate.. THAT IS WHY YOU DO NOT WIND UP & BUGGYWHIP ON THE DRAWBACK..that is what makes griffey a great hitter.keeping the hands low leaves to him susceptible to pitches up in the zone.. the trick is to leave them alone, then he won't be late.
> > > you guys are all lost on the basic mentality.. the stance & swing governs what CERTAIN PITCHES IN CERTAIN SPOTS you can hit on the button & what you will be late on..
> > > the trick is to eliminate the actions which will make late to that certain pitch in a certain spot... that is where you will improve... i am not about saying all these hitters are perfect, because they are not.. i am about identifying the weaknesses THAT ALL HITTERS HAVE, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME OR HOW BIG YOUR PAYCHECK OR HOW MANY HRs YOU HIT, & trying to make adjustments which will get you to more pitches on time... since ALL hitters fail to get a hit on 5 out of 6 swings,
> > > that sounds to me like the place to look for improvement..
> > >
> > > you would rather be the monkey-see-monkey-do & folllow all the other sheep... fine. be an average ordinary unremarkable .260 hitter..
> > > if you think outside the box like einstein did, you might be able to form your own atomic theory.. if you do nor conceive of improvement or success you will not achieve them..
> > >
> > > that is what i hope for everyone.. but it takes a different mindset to achieve it... do you have it?
> > > best of luck to you
> >
> > George,
> >
> > This is getting ridiculous! You will never get it, and the best hitting instructor I ever had said, "you will never be able to convince everybody to agree with what you teach, so don't try they will figure it out one way or the other".
> >
> > You do not understand the running start you say the quicker the bat starts out, the greater the acceleration rate,but yet you want to start with no movement from a dead stop.
> >
> > MLB pitchers are good the reason that some pitchers are missed is because the pitcher wants you to miss them and hitters early in the count are looking for one pitch only and that is the pitch they can destroy.
> >
> > Hitting is BALANCE, RHYTHM, and TIMING. Pitching is trying to disrupt all 3 of those things.
> >
> > A bad hard swing on time will hit the ball hard a good swing not on time will not, but a good swing on time and see ya!! That's what we strive for, by getting balanced, getting in to a good rhythm and looking for the pitch that our timing will be at our best.
> >
> > I would venture to say, I don't know the exact statistics, that if you only swung at pitches you could destroy and only got a hit on half of those you would bat around .300. Not Bad.
> >
> > I would like to know how many of your students have made it to the MLB? or how many are playing in a quality college program?
> >
> > Graylon
>
> my dear gray...
> EVERYONE STARTS OUT FROM A DEAD STOP... you are not in motion the moment you walk into the box... the key is to generate force from the ground up,,, how many times do you want me to say you don't have time for all that post-release motion... THE "RUNNING START" MAKES YOU LATE FAR MORE OFTEN THAN IT GETS YOU THERE ON TIME & IS THE REASON YOU FAIL 5 SWINGS OUT OF 6!!!! THAT IS A FACT YOU CAN NOT NOT NOT MAKE GO AWAY!!!!... THE MINUTE YOU ELIMINATE IT FROM THE SWING & START FORWARD, THE SOONER YOU GET THERE... there are PLENTY of good hitters in MLB who do not utilize the "running start", & those guys for the most part are better hitters than your guys..although they don't hit as many HRs..but they do drive in the big run FAR more often..THE BUGGYWHIP IS AN EVOLUTIONARY SWING WHICH PRODUCES MORE HRs
> ALONG WITH A VERY ORDINARY BA... the hitters of today are driven by the HR & the $$$ it brings... but don't tell me it's the best way to
> get a hit.i'm going to mention a name you probably never heard before...paul molitor. the guy was everything you want to be. find some tape of this man.. you'll learn all you need to know.
>
> you'll figure it out eventually, i hope.. watch actual game tape where the hitters are popping up, fouling off, & miss copmpletely 5 out of 6 swings... you want to just gloss over that glaring statistic...... i don't hear anyone arguing with my statistic... because you can't... instead you guys say blah blah blah... yet the indisputable fact, is they are all failing far more times than they are successful.... change that fact... you can't...
>
> i am looking to find out the reason WHY hitters fail to hit the ball on the button 5 out of 6 times... you guys are saying never mind that, the best hitters can not POSSIBLY do it any better... wrong.
>
> YOUR ARGUMENTS DON'T HOLD ANY WATER... YOU DON'T REFUTE THE FACTS I MENTION.. YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE APPLES INSTEAD OF THE ORANGES
> please try to rebut these specific statement:
>
> the best hitters fail to get a hit on 5 of 6 swings..when they fail, invariably they end up popping up, fouling off or missing completely.. now answer the question.. WHY?? I TRY TO GET MY STUDENTS TO ASK THEMSELVES THAT QUESTION... YOU WILL NOT REALIZE YOUR FULL POTENTIAL UNTIL YOU LEARN TO ASK YOURSELF WHY YOU FAIL, & TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE WEAKNESS IN EITHER YOUR STANCE OR SWING THAT GUARANTEES YOUR FAILURE... there is a reason... is there not? come up with a better one that the one i think it is, & i will start to have a little respect for your ability to think for yourself & understand the LAWS OF LOGIC & PHYSICS..
>
> THE ANSWER TO WHY: popping up fouling off or missing completely is not about missing the pitch so much as it is about being late to the ball... the sooner you understand this concept, the sooner you will realize YOU THE HITTER are the only one responsible for your being late...not me, not the coach.. you are doing it just the way you think is best... but it ain't so hot, & certainly not as good as it COULD be. then ask yourself the question what am i diong that makes me late??
>
> this mindset is the path to excellence...i hope all you guys can get on board with this.. the sooner the better.
> think outside the box, or be like everyone else... make no changes,
> everything is fine.. see where that gets you.

George,

You are the one who never answers questions you just keep spewing nonsense and repeating yourself. I have mentioned your "god" of hitting, Paul Molitor, but you have never explained why he hit only .306. To everyone else I think Paul was a very good hitter, but not any better then the hitters we talk about.

To answer your question. They pop up foul out and are late some tiimes because MLB pitchers are filthy. What about the guys who crush the ball but get out any way? YOU HAVE NO CLUE!!!

Graylon

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> > > > > Barry Bonds DOES drop his hands a foot, do a circle hitch with his hands & draw back his arms & hands a foot or so before FINALLY launching his swing.. Jack Mankin. How come everyone argues with these mechanics when many of the greatest hitters have these mechanics. George Stanley how can you argue this. The frame by frame video does not lie. You would say that someone who DOES drop his hands a foot, do a circle hitch with his hands & draw back his arms & hands a foot or so before FINALLY launching his swing will be late to the baseball why? Watch Chipper right before the ball comes small hitch with his hands before they go circular. He doesn't just put his hands in a launch position already like you put your hitters. Sheffield bat is towards second base while the ball is half way there how come he isn't late? These mechanics are what major league hitters do everyday to hit the ball 400 feet. During batting practice with wood and if your hitting the ball 400 feet your probably generating bat speed through rotational mechanics. Watch video of griffey he hits hR to right field with pitches that are away from him with a long circular path to pull an outside pitch for a bomb. His hands are so far back he is a Barred arm George the whole entire swing. Explain to me how hitters in the bigs with barred arms still hit? The answer is rotational mechanics. All hitters that generate major bat speed have these same mechanics. They are good because of it.
> > > > 
> > > > hey mikey!
> > > > 
> > > > a hitch is a hitch is a hitch... just because a great hitter does it, does not make it right... the mentality of monkey-see-monkey-do is WRONG WRONG WRONG... lose that mentality!!! just because you say the guy is wonderful does not make it so...you want to lick all these guys' asses & say how wonderful they are, but  you conveniently want to gloss over the fact they ALL FAIL TO GET A HIT 7 TIMES OUT OF 10... & in real terms pop up, foul off, or miss completely 5 out of 6 swings... that is a lot of room for improvement.. 
> > > > TRUE, the camera does not lie... the frequency of popping up, fouling off & missing is FAR MORE FREQUENT  than hitting the ball on the button... i don't want to talk about the 26 times a hitter gets a hit, i want to talk about the 74 times he fails.. THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE SHOWS THEY ARE LATE FAR MORE TIMES THAN THEY HIT THE BALL ON THE BUTTON...  HELLO?!?!?! THEREFORE THERE ARE FAR MORE FREQUENT INCIDENTS WHERE THE HITTER IS LATE!! you ask me why?!?!?..  BECAUSE THE STATISTICS SAY SO!!!... hello?!?!?
> > > > 
> > > > all good hitters are hitting mistakes... that is, when they get a certain pitch in a certain spot, they don't miss it..  that is where they thrive... but a smart pitcher gets them most of the time by pitching to a ANOTHER certain spot where they are guaranteed not to be able to get there on time, so, they will be late...you want to conveniently ignore the countless times  they miss pitches they should be driving... due to the dropping the hands, circle hitch & drawing the bat back AFTER the pitch is released. that works on a limited number of pitches in certain spots, but  fails on the FAR MORE frequent certain pitches in certain OTHER spots...in other words they eat the bear ONCE IN A WHILE, but 5 swings out of 6, THE BEAR EATS YOU. 
> > > > if you got a chance to talk to ANY of those guys, they would all tell you as good as they are, they would love to improve.. otherwise, they're lying.. they would ALL admit they need to be doing  better on certain pitches... but they cannot figure out why they always fail.. that is obvious, because  if they could change the outcome, they would.. but they can't.. the reason is they cannot identify the reason they failing to hit certain pitches in certain spots.you make it sound like there is absolutely no room for improvement for these guys, they are all perfect... NOT!
> > > > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WINNERS & THE LOSERS IS THE WINNDERS ARE
> > > > ALWAYS TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE WEAKNESSES IN THEIR STANCE & SWING, & TRYING TO ELIMINATE THEM.. SO THEY WILL IMPROVE.
> > > > to a smart pitcher, gary sheffield is the easiest out in town.. he is constantly waving his bat, trying to time a fastball.. all you have to do is have a little hitch in your delivery, or throw him off speed breaking balls, he is way out in front..or quicken your delivery. the only time you throw him a FB is on the first pitch above the belt inner half, which he will foul off for an automatic strike 1.. the only  time you throw a FB after that is after 3 offspeed pitches, or with 2 strikes. 
> > > > i endorse rotational mechanics... i don't know where you get the idea i do not..ken griffey has one of the fastest bats around... the main reason is he has his hands in tight, which will generate greater batspeed than when you extend your arms... he hits HR on outside pitches because he keeps his hands in tight AS LONG AS POSSIBLE before altering his swing to catch the outside pitch.. hands in tight will generate the maximum initial batspeed... most hitters do not understand the quicker the bat starts out, the greater the acceleration rate.. THAT IS WHY YOU DO NOT WIND UP & BUGGYWHIP ON THE DRAWBACK..that is what makes griffey a great hitter.keeping the hands low leaves to him susceptible to pitches up in the zone.. the trick is to leave them alone, then he won't be late.
> > > > you guys are all lost on the basic mentality.. the stance & swing governs what CERTAIN PITCHES IN CERTAIN SPOTS you can hit on the button & what you will be late on.. 
> > > > the trick is to eliminate the actions which will make late to that certain pitch in a certain spot... that is where you will improve... i am not about saying all these hitters are perfect, because they are not.. i am about identifying the weaknesses THAT ALL HITTERS HAVE, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME OR HOW BIG YOUR PAYCHECK OR HOW MANY HRs YOU HIT, & trying to make adjustments which will get you to more pitches on time... since ALL hitters fail to get a hit on 5 out of 6 swings,
> > > > that sounds to me like the place to look for improvement.. 
> > > > 
> > > > you would rather be the monkey-see-monkey-do & folllow all the other sheep... fine. be an average ordinary unremarkable .260 hitter..
> > > > if you think outside the box like einstein did, you might be able to form your own atomic theory.. if you do nor conceive of improvement or success you will not achieve them..
> > > > 
> > > > that is what i hope for everyone.. but it takes a different mindset to achieve it... do you have it?  
> > > > best of luck to you
> > > 
> > > George,
> > > 
> > > This is getting ridiculous! You will never get it, and the best hitting instructor I ever had said, "you will never be able to convince everybody to agree with what you teach, so don't try they will figure it out one way or the other".
> > > 
> > > You do not understand the running start you say the quicker the bat starts out, the greater the acceleration rate,but yet you want to start with no movement from a dead stop.
> > > 
> > > MLB pitchers are good the reason that some pitchers are missed is because the pitcher wants you to miss them and hitters early in the count are looking for one pitch only and that is the pitch they can destroy.
> > > 
> > > Hitting is BALANCE, RHYTHM, and TIMING. Pitching is trying to disrupt all 3 of those things.
> > > 
> > > A bad hard swing on time will hit the ball hard a good swing not on time will not, but a good swing on time and see ya!! That's what we strive for, by getting balanced, getting in to a good rhythm and looking for the pitch that our timing will be at our best.
> > > 
> > > I would venture to say, I don't know the exact statistics, that if you only swung at pitches you could destroy and only got a hit on half of those you would bat around .300. Not Bad.
> > > 
> > > I would like to know how many of your students have made it to the MLB? or how many are playing in a quality college program?
> > > 
> > > Graylon
> > 
> > my dear gray...
> > EVERYONE STARTS OUT FROM A DEAD STOP... you are not in motion the moment you walk into the box... the key is to generate force from the ground up,,, how many times do you want me to say you don't have time for all that post-release motion... THE "RUNNING START" MAKES YOU LATE FAR MORE OFTEN THAN IT GETS YOU THERE ON TIME & IS THE REASON YOU FAIL 5 SWINGS OUT OF 6!!!! THAT IS A FACT YOU CAN NOT NOT NOT MAKE GO AWAY!!!!... THE MINUTE YOU ELIMINATE IT FROM THE SWING & START FORWARD, THE SOONER YOU GET THERE... there are PLENTY of  good hitters in MLB who do not utilize the "running start", & those guys for the most part are better hitters than your guys..although they don't hit as many HRs..but they do drive in the big run FAR more often..THE BUGGYWHIP IS AN EVOLUTIONARY SWING WHICH PRODUCES MORE HRs
> > ALONG WITH A VERY ORDINARY BA... the hitters of today are driven by the HR & the $$$ it brings... but don't tell me it's the best way to
> > get a hit.i'm going to mention a name you probably never heard before...paul molitor. the guy was everything you want to be. find some tape of this man.. you'll learn  all you need to know.
> > 
> > you'll figure it out eventually, i hope.. watch actual game tape where the hitters are popping up, fouling off, & miss copmpletely 5 out of 6 swings... you want to just gloss over that glaring statistic...... i don't hear anyone arguing with my statistic... because you can't... instead you guys say blah blah blah... yet the indisputable fact, is they are all failing far more times than they are successful.... change that fact... you can't...
> > 
> > i am looking to find out the reason WHY hitters fail to hit the ball on the button 5 out of 6 times... you guys are saying never mind that, the best hitters can not POSSIBLY do it any better... wrong.
> > 
> > YOUR ARGUMENTS DON'T HOLD ANY WATER... YOU DON'T REFUTE THE FACTS I MENTION.. YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE APPLES INSTEAD OF THE ORANGES
> > please try to rebut these specific statement:
> > 
> > the best hitters fail to get a hit on 5 of 6 swings..when they fail, invariably they end up popping up, fouling off or missing completely.. now answer the question.. WHY?? I TRY TO GET MY STUDENTS TO ASK THEMSELVES THAT QUESTION... YOU WILL NOT REALIZE YOUR FULL POTENTIAL UNTIL YOU LEARN TO ASK YOURSELF WHY YOU FAIL, & TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE WEAKNESS IN EITHER YOUR STANCE OR SWING THAT GUARANTEES YOUR FAILURE...    there is a reason... is there not? come up with a better one that the one i think it is, & i will start to have a little respect for your ability to think for yourself & understand the LAWS OF LOGIC & PHYSICS..
> > 
> > THE ANSWER TO WHY: popping up fouling off or missing completely is not about missing the pitch so much as it is about being late to the ball... the sooner you understand this concept, the sooner you will realize YOU THE HITTER are the only one responsible for your being late...not me, not the coach.. you are doing it just the way you think is best... but it ain't so hot, & certainly not as good as it COULD be. then ask yourself the question what am i diong that makes me late??
> > 
> > this mindset is the path to excellence...i hope all you guys can get on board with this.. the sooner the better.
> > think outside the box, or be like everyone else... make no changes,
> > everything is fine.. see where that gets you.
> 
> George,
> 
> You are the one who never answers questions you just keep spewing nonsense and repeating yourself. I have mentioned your "god" of hitting, Paul Molitor, but you have never explained why he hit only .306. To everyone else I think Paul was a very good hitter, but not any better then the hitters we talk about.
> 
> To answer your question. They pop up foul out and are late some tiimes because MLB pitchers are filthy. What about the guys who crush the ball but get out any way? YOU HAVE NO CLUE!!!
> 
> Graylon

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