Posted by: Hitter () on Thu Oct 21 11:42:46 2004

>>> Should bht's tourqe feel like tht's tourqe when applied? If I'm understanding bht correctly then I would say that tht has more tourqe. Is it because tht starts while moving slow (from a near stand still) and bht is applied to the bat while moving faster? Hope I make sense. I'm trying to teach my son how to maximize the "spank" given to the ball when bht is applied. <<<
> >
> > Hi Tonyd
> >
> > The top or bottom hand does not apply torque independently of the other. To apply torque, each hand is supplying a fairly equal force at the handle but from opposing directions. At initiation, shoulder rotation pulls the lead-hand around toward the pitcher as the top-hand is pulled back toward the catcher. This applying force from opposing directions continues throughout the swing as the body rotates. By the time the bat rotates around toward contact, the direction of the force of the hands will have reversed. Body rotation is now driving the top-hand around toward the pitcher while the rotation of the lead-shoulder to the 105 degree position is pulling the bottom-hand back toward the catcher.
> >
> > As I stated earlier, torque is constantly being applied throughout the swing. I termed torque applied during initiation as Top-Hand-Torque because it is the most active hand at that point. It is being pulled around a slower moving bottom-hand. And, at contact, the bottom-hand is being pulled around a slower moving top-hand – thus BHT.
> >
> > Tony, it may feel like the hands are exerting a greater force at initiation. However, in a smooth swing, pressure sensors indicate the force remains fairly constant. --- Most hitters have never felt the sensation of a bat accelerated from BHT. Their bottom-hand is still sweeping forward at contact as they attempt to extend the top-hand past the bottom-hand.
> >
> > Jack Mankin
> >
> >
> >
>
> Jack,
>
> You state "it may feel like the hands are exerting a greater force at initiation. However, in a smooth swing, pressure sensors indicate the force remains fairly constant."
>
> Does this not contradict your Oct 4 response to Bruce (Re: Jack:Pre-launch Torque Confusion)?:
>
> Hi Bruce
>
> Your analogy with the pickup is correct. However, bat speed acquired before initiation probably has a greater impact on contact velocity than most people realize. Bonds and Sosa may only attain 3 or 4 mph bat-head velocity during pre-launch torque. But this does not mean their contact velocity is only increased by 3 or 4 mph. This is because bat-head acceleration is exponential rather than linear in nature.
>
> To explain this, let’s use the acceleration of a dragster for example. The acceleration of a dragster is also exponential rather than linear in nature. The dragster may only accelerate from a dead stop to 10 or 12 mph in the first second. Whereas, it may accelerate from 110 to 200 mph in the last second when coming to the finish line. Therefore, allowing the dragster a rolling start of 10 mph would not increase its speed at the finish line by only 10 mph. --- The same principle holds true with the baseball swing.
>
> Jack Mankin
> ...
>
> How can bat-head acceleration be exponential rather than linear in nature if forces applied are constant?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike.
>
>

"Tony, it may feel like the hands are exerting a greater force at initiation. However, in a smooth swing, pressure sensors indicate the force remains fairly constant. --- Most hitters have never felt the sensation of a bat accelerated from BHT. Their bottom-hand is still sweeping forward at contact as they attempt to extend the top-hand past the bottom-hand."

This say's it all. BHT is not felt because the top hand is extending well past the contact zone. It's easy to see on video, harder to explain with words.

Here's a clip of someone doing the above and then trying to get BHT.

http://www.hitting-mechanics.org/inv_forums_131/index.php?s=b768dad5567a861d0052b38b473d9850&showtopic=211&st=60

Scroll down until you see the clips posted of two different swing.