Posted by: Jim Ecc. () on Thu Oct 28 18:27:32 2004

"Did Pujols or Rolen demonstrate rotational principles? Not hardly!"

Are you saying Pujols and Rolen are NOT rotational hitters???
What are you looking at? Please look and learn again. The whole "look" and "see" thing ties in with this:

As I once stated on this site - how do any of you THT advocates know the action being applied to bring the hands back is THT when (and you can't argue this) it could very easily be another action. And I don't care what you call it either but until Jack or someone else can define what they "see" I.E. perhaps in radial deviation etc. to pinpoint THT is taking place then how is it possible anyone can say with "certainty" they "see" THT is being applied?

Even if radial deviation, tension in the forearems etc. (top hand pulling back) could be determined via a zoomed frame by frame super slo mo it is impossible to "see" that action by viewing it on TV. That is my problem when posters come on here and say matter of factly did you "see" so and so use THT? Too which I could just as easily say...no...what I saw was so and so bring his hands back but I can't know it was because of THT without being able to support what I saw with someKind of "muscular action" being pinpointed (cause and effect).

For all I know that hitter could have had no radial deviation with relaxed forearms/fingers (no THT) and some other mucscular action could have brought the hands back getting them into the same load position?

Gentlemen,
If you were tuned in to the TV announcers, the reference to Bellhorn hitting for greater power was due to the hitting coach teaching him to bring his hands back. At no time did anyone mention THT? No, they did not mention scap loading either. It was the perfect time to do so with either but it was never mentioned? I would think if the Red Sox hitting coach was asked how he improved Bellhorn's swing he would have mentioned either THT or scap loading. Instead he merely said (via the TV announcers) that he taught him to bring his hands back (load). No mention of THT? No mention of Scap loading?

For the record, I have no problem with the premise/theory of THT or scap loading but while you all keep demanding that TEACHERMAN better define his position, I think Jack and all of you proponents of THT could just as easily put this issue to rest if you could provide some absolutes say...show me/us muscles in actions to support your contentions. Pull up one, two, ANY MLB Hitting instructors who are teaching THT principles to support your stances.

Is it the radial deviation that you see to determine THT is being applied? What is it that makes all of you such masters at seeing something I know I can't see and trust me...I want to see it and need to see it to believe it and especially if I ever want to teach it!

If I recall, Jack or someone else once mentioned here that THT it something you feel. I have no problem with that theory because I can feel it when I apply it but... and "if" that IS the case then how can any poster say for a fact "so and so" used THT if it is a feel and not a see technique?

P.S.- The Red Sox won, like most teams do, because of better pitching which will always shut down great hitters be they linear, rotational, Front Foot, back foot, headstand, leg split, yoga etc.

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I guess the Red Sox proved once and for all that tht & other rotational principles is the way to win! Did Pujols or Rolen demonstrate rotational principles? Not hardly! Thanks a lot Jack for providing the inspiration to the Red Sox, but I really wish you and your rotational principles would inspire the Cubs next year!
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> What I can't figure out is how players forget about THT from one at bat to the next.