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Posted by: () on Fri Jan 19 14:06:33 2001

> Shawn-
> > >
> > > Thanks for the interesting link.I'll limit my comments to the body rotation.As compared to Mac,the other hitter slides the trunk forward instead of rotating(form of lunging) and turns the hips late/through the swing.Notice how Mac Rotates with tight "linkage"(shoulders rotate(instead of sliding then rotating as in the amateur) with immediate turning of bat,then stops hip rotation before contact to accentuate acceleration of the torso turn.Mac's back leg demonstrates ankle roll/knee turn as the hips turn the shoulders,then reactive torque as the hips stop and whipping is sent upwards.
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > Isn't that a classic example of hitting against a firm front leg?, trying to throw the backside, etc.
> >
> > One of this days, I'll find a clip I like to compare Edmond's, pre throwing the backside, and learning to spin off the backside as he put it. (+20 hrs, and much quicker).
> >
> > Not that everyone should copy Mac, but look at the difference between the hip and knee position as they start to rotate, or start their approach. Almost looks like the amateur is in the a click back position, butt over the heel.
> >
> > Shawn
>
> Mac certainly seems to be quicker with the bat than the amateur. However, I was looking at this clip the other day and noticed that the amateur's front heel comes down well after Mac's. If this were resync'ed to put both players' heel down moment at the same time, you'd see a very similar swing. Yes, the amateur strides / weight shifts. But from heel down they are similar. So the amateur must start earlier to get to the heel down point at the right time.
> Perhaps the differences seen here are caused more by the model of the swing in the mind of the person who created the comparison.
> Any thoughts on this?

Dan,

Without knowing anything about the other hitter etc., do both swings have the same number of frames?, is this hitter similar in size, I wouldn't draw any hard conclusion.

But' the amuteur has a very poor lower body. And as Tom pointed out he is rotating front to back, opening way to early, never leads with the hips or positions them correctly. Looks like he is more concerned with just using the legs and draging/pulling everything through.

Shawn

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> > Shawn-
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the interesting link.I'll limit my comments to the body rotation.As compared to Mac,the other hitter slides the trunk forward instead of rotating(form of lunging) and turns the hips late/through the swing.Notice how Mac Rotates with tight "linkage"(shoulders rotate(instead of sliding then rotating as in the amateur) with immediate turning of bat,then stops hip rotation before contact to accentuate acceleration of the torso turn.Mac's back leg demonstrates ankle roll/knee turn as the hips turn the shoulders,then reactive torque as the hips stop and whipping is sent upwards.
> > > 
> > > Tom,
> > > 
> > > Isn't that a classic example of hitting against a firm front leg?, trying to throw the backside, etc.
> > > 
> > > One of this days, I'll find a clip I like to compare Edmond's, pre throwing the backside, and learning to spin off the backside as he put it. (+20 hrs, and much quicker).
> > > 
> > > Not that everyone should copy Mac, but look at the difference between the hip and knee position as they start to rotate, or start their approach. Almost looks like the amateur is in the a click back position, butt over the heel.
> > > 
> > > Shawn
> > 
> > Mac certainly seems to be quicker with the bat than the amateur. However, I was looking at this clip the other day and noticed that the amateur's front heel comes down well after Mac's.  If this were resync'ed to put both players' heel down moment at the same time, you'd see a very similar swing. Yes, the amateur strides / weight shifts.  But from heel down they are similar. So the amateur must start earlier to get to the heel down point at the right time. 
> > Perhaps the differences seen here are caused more by the model of the swing in the mind of the person who created the comparison. 
> > Any thoughts on this?
> 
> Dan,
> 
> Without knowing anything about the other hitter etc., do both swings have the same number of frames?, is this hitter similar in size, I wouldn't draw any hard conclusion.
> 
> But' the amuteur has a very poor lower body. And as Tom pointed out he is rotating front to back, opening way to early, never leads with the hips or positions them correctly. Looks like he is more concerned with just using the legs and draging/pulling everything through.
> 
> Shawn

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