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Re: Re: Re: Re: QUESTION FOR TROY


Posted by: Troy () on Tue Feb 12 09:26:22 2002


troy....since you have a background with pros, not to mention your background in kinesiology, i would like to pose the same question to you as i recently did to charley lau jr (he has not yet responded).......
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> > > > my question: when people at your level talk about a "long swing" this terminology filters down to the lower levels....every coach from mustang (pony league) to college not only want to eliminate the "long swing" but every coach has his own idea of how to fix the problem...yet no one can explain what it means.....sure, at the lower ameteur levels you can find kids who have an extreme case of "casting", but i assume that at the major league levels you don't see this particular problem......could you explain in the most graphic and descriptive terms possible what a "long swing" means at the major league level?.......and as you said, the swing happens so fast that sometimes it's hard to detect what is happening that is right or wrong unless it's something really obvious....how do you evaluate the player's swing?...for example, do you use frame by frame analysis?.......respectfully, grc.....
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> > > I will try to answer your question as best I can but stay with me, this may get long.
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> > > With younger athletes and especially hitters that use metal bats, many times their strength and the weight of the bat can balance huge flaws in the swing.
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> > > As hitter progress and pitchers get better at locating pitches, it is imperative for hitters to be in a positive power position when the ball is being released from the pitchers hand. This enables the hitter to have a short path to the ball with the bat and also creates a bat path that stays longer through the hitting zone. This means that a hitter can have less than perfect timing on that pitch and have a good result. Hitting is timing and pitchers are trying to disrupt timing.
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> > > To me "casting" happens when your body begins rotation while your hands are trailing too far behind. Because of the amount of force that your body during rotation creates, if your hands are too far behind, it is impossible for your hands to stay inside the ball and on the correct path. They will cast away from your body too soon and create a long arc, like a golf swing on a flatter plane. Get in your hitters stance, lock your front arm straight and try to keep your hands close to your body. This is death as a hitter. If you look a some hitters,Griffey for example, they have great uppper body flexibility and are able to have their front arm almost straight and still keep their hands working inside the ball. You have to remember the professional hitters see live pitching everyday, they develop a swing that complements their strengths.
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> > > If you are watching the Olympics, watch the skaters when they go into their spins. When their hands are far away from their body their body rotates slower, they are casting their hands away. When they want to get into faster rotation, they gradually move their hands closer to their body hands inside.
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> > > The way that I work on a short inside path with my hitters, is to give them a short underhand frontoss (from behind an L screen). I will throw the pitch down the middle of the plate and have the hitters hit the ball up the middle or the other way. I also want the hitters to watch the ball to contact. This enables their hands to stay short to the ball, have and inside path and extend through the ball.
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> > > I am very fortunate to have at my training facility weight training equipment. This is where I teach young athletes how to recruit the appropiate muscle groups in the appropriate sequence to enable power and balance with their body with linear weight shift and rotation. When you get this movement stronger and more balanced, the swing is easier to learn.
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> > > I hope this was helpful. It is so hard to tell someone how you teach without showing them. I am getting ready to send my players to spring training and I will be checking in. If you have any more questions, I will try to answer them as effectively as I can.
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> > > One last thing. If you remember the world series watch the bomb that Jetter hit. Middle inside running fastball that beats him bad. He stays inside and behind the ball and hits it out around the fair pole in right field. If you look at impact on that pitch, his hands are almost touching his body.
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> > > Troy
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> > Troy- Thanks for the info.
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> > I would point out one thing with regard to causation of casting in beginners.What most kids lack is the ability to figure out how to rotate the body around a vertical axis.What causes casting in most beginners is they try to use the body in a whipping action where they sway the hips(instead of rotating or shifting forward then rotating).Then the front arm comes up(chicken wing) and the back elbow comes under past the slot toward the belly button with dropping of the bathead.The back elbow is then stuck to the side and the hands have to cast early as the back elbow extends.In addition to learning to rotate around a stationary(vertical)axis,kids have to avoid pushing early with the top hand(tophand dominance).It is actually the habit of trying to dominate with the tophand that sets all of this couterproductive swaying/nonrotational stuff in motion.The handpath needs to be controlled until the kid learns to rotate the body,then the hands can be left free to find the right way of connecting and following appropriately sequenced torso rotation.
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> Hey Troy
> If you remember the whole world series correctly Jeter was in a horrible slump. All he could do was hit balls to the opposite field. He had no chance at all on fastballs inside. The Handpath slows down when the lead arm gets closer to the body.
> The Hitman

Take a real close look at his at bats not only in the world seris but also the ALCS. Look at the quality of his at bats and how he did his job as a hitter. Do you think that it is just words when you hear hall of fame hitters and hitting coaches on national tv preaching the importance of staying inside the ball and what a fundamentally sound hitter Jeter is. I don't know how many people on this site have ever faced major league pitchers. For that matter even major college or minor league pitchers. These type of players work out in my facility on a daily basis.

Jeter is one of the best hitters in the world. He has a great approach. I work with players that are in the Yankee organization and they have a great system top to bottom.


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