Posted by: Teacherman () on Thu Nov 28 12:22:54 2002

>>> Also, Paul IS being taken out of context. You simply refuse to address the issue that there is/could be batspeed greater than game batspeed. Batspeed at full extension is/could be greater than batspeed without full extension. You also take 2 or 3 paragraphs from a lengthy discussion and then contend that you are not taking him out of context. All you care to look at is....."From everything I know about biomechanics, the greatest bat speed is achieved when a player reaches full extension AT contact. But this extension must be the end result of having "unloaded" the body PROPERLY." Look at the rest of the statement regarding the Griffey/Bonds comparison and the need for bat quickness and yes he does tell the proper way to achieve full extension.
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> In an earlier thread you indicated he was using Griffey as his swing model. Read the entire statement and tell me you did not take two or three sentences and attack without full consideration of the entire discussion. He clearly said he would not teach Griffey's swing. He clearly said the proper way to reach full extension is without disconnect and goes on to say it is difficult to do because of the timing requirements and the need for swing quickness.
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> And finally your statement that....."Again, I am not aware of any scientific studies showing which achieves greater bat speed, full XT or non-full XT. But the clips do SEEM to indicate about a 1/2 frame longer of a swing with full XT. And about 90 per cent of the major leaguers do NOT achieve full XT. Therefore I lean toward the non-full XT theory"...suggests that you don't understand the entire discussion. Just because major leaguers don't extend does not mean they are at their maximum batspeed. If you stood by a radar gun you could very well achieve your maximum batspeed with a swing that you could not use in a game. A swing whose execution time is too long to catch up to elite pitching.
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> Yes, your entire argument is "out of context" <<<
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> Hi Teacherman
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> Would you say that maximum bat speed is reached at full extension regardless of the mechanics applied? As an example: Would the timing of when maximum bat speed is reached be different for a hitter who was “pulling back” with the top-hand at initiation as opposed to driving the top-hand forward? --- Do you think the “hook effect(Paul's term)” has an impact on bat speed? If so, does its maximum effect occur “at” or “before” full extension of the arms?
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> Jack Mankin

Jack

Please define maximum batspeed and then I'll take a crack at answering your question. It is here that I think the confusion over Paul's statement lies. Is maximum batspeed the fastest you can possibly swing the bat? Or is it the maximum you can swing the bat and also hit elite pitching?

And, at what point is the golf swing at it's maximum speed? Is it at extension?

Teacherman

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