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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Front Leg Fallacy


Posted by: tom.guerry (tom.guerry@kp.org) on Fri Jan 10 11:30:31 2003


The debate on rotational mechanics and linear weight transfer
> > > > mechanics is as old as baseball itself. I'm not convinced it will
> > > > ever be agreed upon, mainly because neither term really applies to my
> > > > way of thinking.
> > > > > Unfortunately the body is not constructed with a single pole in
> > > > which to rotate upon, in fact, our legs, are like that of a tripod.
> > > > They help keep us grounded and if one leg is straigter than the other
> > > > we have hip or spine tilt. This straightning of the front leg is what
> > > > generally turns a level cut into a slight upswing, or in some cases an
> > > > extreme uppercut. The hip joints themselves do not turn, it is the
> > > > torso, constructed from the base of the spine that creates the torque.
> > > > However in an effort to add upper body torque, many hitters feel the
> > > > strong need contribute excessive leg action (ie..hip thrust) to get
> > > > the torso to turn. Normally it is young hitters that create this
> > > > excessive leg action that never really feel the torso power. In other
> > > > words they combine the torso turn with the leg thrust. This excessive
> > > > leg action is what most hitting instructors have the hardest time
> > > > seeing and teaching.
> > > > > I have a real concern with anyone that preaches straight legs in the
> > > > baseball swing, mainly because straight legs create angles and also
> > > > lock hips, which contribute to bad balance. In any sport that I lock
> > > > my legs I get beat. Lock the front leg early in a baseball swing.....
> > > > and I'll get beat. Now I must say, great hitters do lock there front
> > > > leg normally (not always), however, it comes with a price even for
> > > > them, but the real issue is how they go about locking the front leg.
> > > > Getting into that all too familiar "sit to hit position" is the art of
> > > > a great athlete and generally a great hitter. In viewing Jacks video
> > > > I see the kids just straightening the front leg, with never the notion
> > > > of sitting to hit. But then I see the hitting instructor, getting a
> > > > nice front knee bend, thereby, positioning the legs for all of this
> > > > upper body torque. In golf they call it the "magic move." This magic
> > > > move is a slight lateral slide while the upper body begins it
> > > > unwinding (rotation). This to me is why the debate is never ending.
> > > > Great atheletes/hitters can do both at the same time, but when either
> > > > becomes excessive , then you have a issues in my opinion. This is why
> > > > everyone looks different when they swing in my opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > In summary the front leg becomes the core element of my teaching.
> > > > If I can get a kid to keep this leg in contact with the ground at the
> > > > initiation of the swing, but with good flexion and stability and I
> > > > give this kid the best opportunity to be succesful. If I see kids
> > > > locking legs than he or she will have problems, until they understand
> > > > how the front leg is supposed to lock, by rotating laterally with
> > > > athletic legs.
> > > > >
> > > > > The legs are stabalizers in a baseball swing, power drive is a
> > > > distant second. When they are not in the best position for stability,
> > > > they will fail and so too will the swing.
> > > > >
> > > > > In my humble opinion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Coach C,
> > > > It is my understanding that Mr.Mankin's tape instructs us to step
> > > > square (with front knee flexed),land lightly on the front toe(with
> > > > front knee flexed),which allows the ankle to rotate the heel backwards
> > > > therby facilitating the opening of the hips in a timely manner.The
> > > > front knee does not straighten until close to or at contact.Would
> > > > following this procedure jive with your post ?How does keeping the
> > > > front
> > >
> > >
> > > Simply stated on low pitches......Do not lock the front leg, the body needs to work up and down, not forward or back. If you lock your front leg on a low pitch you create angles and great pitchers will own that hitter. Try doing low tee work and see what kind of ball flight you generate with a locked front side (just check out the angle you create with the bat), you know spin and trajectory. Jack, as I've said, does a good job and I love his work, but I would not teach it that way....with all do respect. I have a saying and it goes........"Never judge those for who's shoes I have not walked" I respect Jack and believe he thinks he's right........This works for me!
> > >
> > > Coach C
> >
> > I've read your posts in this thread, but I still have little idea what you might mean. Can you clearly and concisely describe your swing model or as someone else requested, name a MLB player who hits the way you recommend?
> >
> > Mark H.
>
> All of them, but when they lock their front legs the angle changes. If you were to stand them vertically upright their lead elbow would point down. If you look at Epstein, his players stand vertical and the lead elbow points up and out. It's horrible!!!!! The swing is most efficient when the elbows are as close together as possible, it's called the triangle!!!! Keeping the triangle encourages the forearms to rotate and helps us not get flippy with the wrists.
>
> Lance Berkman's lead elbow is always down at contact, same with

Larry Walker...That's a fact!!!!

Both elbows down is a bad cue for most.The elbows need to work asymmetrically and maintain their angle as described by Epstein and Dusty "BOX" Baker.When the hip uncocks to drive rotation and maximize separation prior to the torso launching,the back elbow drops into the slot(external rotation) as the front elbow "works up"(internally rotates).The body can't stretch and the lead arm can't connect on plane if this doesn't happen.Dropping the front elbow is rarely a good thing as stressed on Jack's tape.

The more upright the player "sits on the axis" and the higher the pitch,and the longer the swing radius,the lower the elbow may appear,but it should always get up with internal rotation and stay up through contact(except for emergency adjustments to compensate for a poorly matched swing).


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